The Fish
for 7 October 1997. Updated every WEEKDAY.
Suck Staff

Joey Anuff
Joey Anuff


Terry Colon
Terry Colon
Art Director


Ana Marie Cox
Ana Marie Cox
Executive Editor


Erin Coull
Production Manager


Heather Havrilesky
Heather Havrilesky
Senior Editor


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Carl Steadman
Carl Steadman


Sean (Duuuuude) Welch
Sean Welch


Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas
Copy Editor


T. Jay Fowler

Production Manager

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Matt Beer
Matt Beer
Development Manager

Miss Judged

Subject: Miss America

I find it sad that while
criticizing Miss Hawaii's
homophobia, your own rhetoric
devolves into musings about a
conspiracy of makeup artists
and gay male dancers. I'd
assume you clever people
would mark your own
indulgence in stereotyping
with a sense of self-irony.
Leveling humorous criticisms
at people for their
prejudices while showing no
realization of your own
prejudices isn't very funny.
Was I wrong in thinking Suck
wasn't just one of those
publications going for the
cheap laugh?

Andy Micone


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As another bitter woman - I
read "Miss Judged" with a
great deal of interest (and
really enjoyed the link from
the word "sick").

I am tired of the hippest,
coolest, and newest trend -
BORING. I would much rather
read sarcastic commentary
from disenchanted folks like
myself, who, while
recognizing that the world is
going to hell in a hand
basket, do more than just
bemoan their fate and wring
their hands.

Suck sucks better than any
publication I have ever read
- I am in love.


Ann "I'm white trash, just
ejimicated white trash"

I thought we were the
hippest, coolest, and newest
trend. Damn it.

Bemoaning my fate and
wringing my hands,

Just Another Bitter Woman

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The continuing existence of
the Miss America pageant
merely highlights the
deepening chasm between urban
and rural America. Sure, the
pageant looks like some sort
of perverse flashback to a
largely urban intelligentsia,
but in much of rural America -
which remains a
considerable demographic base -
it is a more or less
accurate portrayal of ongoing
gender relations.

City people can't even
believe the influence things
like the Christian Coalition
and the Promise Keepers of
America have on a big part of
this country. City dwellers
can't quite bring ourselves
to believe that tens of
millions of Americans live in
towns where coming out can
put you at immediate, serious
risk of bodily harm. From our
perspective, hearing about
small-town America is like
hearing about a different
country. Might as well be
Bosnia for chrissakes....

As for the wage gap - why on
earth wouldn't it grow?
Millions of women in this
country live in communities
where the most archaic and
demeaning outbreaks of
misogyny are the norm, not
the exception. The only
tragedy is that those of us
who live in cities and are
not confronted with such
misogyny come to regard it as
an amusing freak show, rather
than a symptom of a massive
split in the nation's value

... But then again, I'm all
for bellybuttons....

Francisco Toro

You're absolutely right.
Many, many people in this
country - not just the ones
who participate in beauty
pageants - would seem
surprisingly archaic to
urbanites. On the other hand,
I think city folk visit towns
smaller than, say, Seattle,
and immediately assume that
everyone there is some kind
of backwoods freak with a
shotgun who fries up possums
for dinner every night.

Makes you wanna pull out yer
shotgun and blow their
city-folk heads clean off.

Just Another Bitter Woman

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Say It Ain't So

I enjoyed "Say It Ain't So."

Might part of the problem be
that as writers become
celebrities it's difficult
for them to disguise that
they are writing about
themselves? While the writer
of the past could call a
quasi-memoir a novel, the
writer of the present has
difficulty getting away with
this, so she covers her ass
and makes it all true. Maybe
the new Don DeLillo novel
will be a happy medium.

Jim Stoicheff

Certainly, it's a bad sign
when writers (aka
"Bespectacled nerds with no
known appeal") become celebs,
but you should never count
out rank laziness where
writers are concerned. As we
saw demonstrated in a recent
episode of Filler
, many
writers had lousy childhoods,
and it's easier to write up
the lousiness than sublimate
it into something cool, like
a story where terrorists use
the Goodyear Blimp to blow up
the Super Bowl. But for my
money, "What is written
without effort is generally
read without pleasure," as we
see demonstrated every day in


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Hey, hey, hey - watch out for
the digs on Home
my favorite TV
show! Yeah, the sixth season
was weak, likely due to
oddball writers. But we fans
have mucho faith - the season
premiere is tomorrow - so
we'll see if it's going over
the cliff early or not.

And if you want to see some
obsessive writing about the
show, by me, check:,
67 pieces and counting.


C Five

Your writing about the show
is indeed obsessive,
Christian. I shudder to think
what you'd have done if the
Web and Carter Country had
existed at the same time.

But I guess it's in the
spirit of the occasion that
you blame "writers" for HI's
sixth-season slippage. I find
watching Tim Allen somewhat
less pleasurable than a hot
poker in the eye, but the
writers should take their
lumps too. Writers suck.


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