The Fish
for 10 April 1997. Updated every WEEKDAY.
Suck Staff

Joey Anuff
Joey Anuff


Terry Colon
Terry Colon
Art Director


Ana Marie Cox
Ana Marie Cox
Executive Editor


T. Jay (the man) Fowler
T. Jay Fowler
Production Manager
& Ass Kicker


Heather Havrilesky
Heather Havrilesky
Senior Editor

Suck Alumni
Suck Alumni Text

Carl Steadman
Carl Steadman


Sean (Duuuuude) Welch
Sean Welch


Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas
Copy Editor


Auteur, Auteur

Hickenlooper's film Some
Folks Call It a Sling Blade

Thornton wrote it and gave a
tour-de-force performance.
The link you gave shows you
knew that. So whaddayamean,
Thorton "largely ignored" it?

Beffuddled in Barcelona

Here's the skinny: Due to a
creative dispute in
postproduction (think:
"Where's my closeup?!"),
Thornton and Hickenlooper had
what can only mildly be
called a "falling out."
Though writers and directors
are often at loggerheads,
it's interesting that
Thornton's two admittedly
sour Hollywood relationships -
with Hickenlooper and One
False Move
director Carl
Franklin - have involved the
presumed "purity" of his
material. See the latest
issue of Creative
(v. 4, n. 1)
for more details.

Thanks for writing.


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Good article. First thing's
first, the porn industry has
made some really funny
mock-ups-advertisements for
Hollywood films (have you
seen Interview with a Vamp?).
Secondly, Hollywood's
Oscar-time pandering shit
about "social conscience" in
their films is iconic
masturbation and total banal
crap. Hollywood has as much
social conscience as Disney,
and that is not saying much.
Where as Disney tries to be
subtle with its moral
subversion (remember the
"good teenagers" bit),
Hollywood is so blitheringly
obvious it makes me almost
embarrassed to be an American
(among other things).
"independent film" is, for
the most part, the more
pretentious and elitist
Hollywood film.

Where are all the real

Morgion de Cantinshire

Having just returned from the
LA independent film Festival,
it has become even clearer
that "Independent Film" is
the term for films that
either a) the studios aren't
stupid enough to produce, or
b) the studios are too stupid
to produce. Not a very
telling word.

But, while pretension and
elitism certainly chafe,
would you rather see movies
like Fargo and Secrets and
(or any/all Coen
Brothers or Mike Leigh films)
or watch Arnold
Schwarzenegger and Harrison
Ford tag-team their way to
becoming billionaires?

We're proud that in today's
Hollywood, we can choose All
of the Above.

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Jobs Suck

i found out about your site
because someone mentioned to
me that you had linked to one
of my pages - the one on the
omphalos - for your story
today. i read through your
site and like what you guys
do. so here's my question:
how do i get a job working at
suck? i'm graduating from
college in about two months,
have at least a year to do
whatever i want, and your
site looks likes fun. any
information you can give me
would be very appreciated.
thank you.


Great to hear from you! You
sound like the perfect job
candidate. We're always
looking for recent graduates
who're looking for a "fun"
job for a year - you know,
just to put off the "real
world" for a little while
longer! Forget a
résumé or
"formal" cover letter - we
linked to your site, what
more could we ask? Plus, you
went to Swarthmore, which not
only gives you a free job
ticket with us, no questions
asked (after all, you're
really smart, and probably
even grew up in Westchester
County!), but also gives you
license to ignore
capitalization entirely!

In fact, forget the "job" part
altogether - we'll just send
you a check just for being

P.S. If we knew how to keep a
job working at Suck, perhaps
we'd be a little more
encouraging. Oh well, there's
always Jackson Hole.

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South Park's Zeitgeist Posse

LeTeXan ... I noticed this is
the second time Suck writers have
used "Zeitgeist" in an
article recently..... Is this
a trendy word in your circle
or are you trying to give the
bar free advertising? If you
didn't know about the bar
it's at Duboce &
Valencia. Come in. Drink up.
Get out. That's the motto,
but the match-book covers say
"Warm beer & Cold Women."

Enjoy the Buzz....


Given Esquire's amusingly (if
not appallingly) belated
thumb-sucker on cocktail
culture, you might well think
our referencing the Zeitgeist
was a plug for the watering
hole of the same name. Sad to
say, we're actually even more
behind the times than that:
We were attempting to call to
mind the pretentious yet
heady days of Camus,
Existentialism, and the
Heroic Period of Abstract
Expressionism; in turn, those
poseurs used terms like
Zeitgeist in order to code to
each other their mild
sympathy for the proletariat,
thus calling to mind the
pretentious yet heady days of
New York in the 1930s, when
Partisan Review was actually
readable; in turn ... well,
you get the idea.


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Writing in Tongues

Hey, what's the deal with all
the staff links including Mr.
Fowler and those listed below
him on the "Fish" page? It
seems that the links lead
only to a short burst of
question marks and crosses.
Odd list of credentials for
such an illustrious staff:
religious symbols and those
of ambiguity. I guess that
works. Just wondering,

-Sloan Fader

It's no secret that T. Jay
(or, as you call him, "Mr.
) was raised in a
cult. While this doesn't
explain the appearence of
"religious symbols and those
of ambiguity" in our staff
pages (Were they in the shape
of Jesus? Now, then we'd be
getting somewhere.), his
background has proven
incredably useful in
organizing our marketing
strategy, among other

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Agnostic Front

Hi there,

Literal allusion to Frankfurt
School philosophers on the
same page (but not, perhaps,
the same frame) as a Novell
ad? Is cyberspace the place
where one can fuck nuns AND
join the church at the same

Anyways, dug the piece, keep
up the good work, yada yada



We understand that entering
the cloister and the
cloistered is an accepted
practice in most religions,
Byron. Try the Yellow Pages.

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